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wegothosed
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Posted - August 24 2006 : 1:44:44 PM
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Yeah well said BlueRose I agree with that.
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.-- Will Rogers
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Vissy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - August 26 2006 : 01:02:20 AM
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| Who would I vote for? the long and short answer to that question is not anyone who calls them selves a politician, you see I find that politicians are lacking in certian key area's that I believe are a must for trust, those qualitiues are: Honesty, Truthfullness and Integrity, and unfortunatly I have never yet seen or met a politician that has a single one of those qualities let alone all three (just like lawyers and paparizzi reporters) |
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Buber
Abrahamic Forum Co-Moderator
USA
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Posted - August 27 2006 : 12:10:14 AM
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What I don't understand is people who don't vote at all.
So pizzaguy, if you see this, please explain why...
I can do the robo-cop. |
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Vissy
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - August 27 2006 : 02:35:15 AM
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I don't vote at all Buber, the reason why is simple. As far as I can see the differances between any political party in the UK is negligible. They are ALL without expeption a bunch of lying, untrustworthy, and useless bunch of people who I would not trust to clean my shoes, let alone run the country.
As to the idea of voting for who ever is in power because "the devil you know is better than the one you don't", well all I can do is reply with what someone once told me "if you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil", and I refuse to vote for evil (apologies if I come acrss as preaching there btw).
In a way if it helps you can see my "wasted vote" as a protest agianst having to choose between a corrupt and immoral party and a immoral and corrupt party. |
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Fullmetal_A
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 4:35:46 PM
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See I agree with both bluerose and vissy. Why should I vote for something I dont believe in. Or in this case someone.
Some have knowledge, others believe in faith. |
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wegothosed
New Member
USA
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 Posted - August 28 2006 : 4:43:32 PM
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Originally posted by Vissy
I don't vote at all Buber, the reason why is simple. As far as I can see the differances between any political party in the UK is negligible. They are ALL without expeption a bunch of lying, untrustworthy, and useless bunch of people who I would not trust to clean my shoes, let alone run the country.
You sure your not in the US right now Vissy????? LOLOLOLOLOL I would really like to see a stright from the streets guy run, BUT then he would probably end up like Kennedy
If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.-- Will Rogers
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JADE
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 4:55:57 PM
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Sometimes it does end up a lessor of two evils, but if one doesn't vote they are not using their right to the fullest extent to voice their opinions.
So I always vote, but only after I know one is better or not as bad as the other. If they truly are equal(which I don't think any are) then and only then would I concider not voting.
Now on judgeships, unapposed and the like, I have use my not voting as a message. If I don't like the unapposed, then I don't vote so as to let the count truly reflect the ones that hopefully like the person. If it is very low, then it might bring someone in next time to challenge them.
Some of the people like judges, don't have to tell anyone about themselves or post their records. Yet we vote for them. This is dumb and on the same order as a pig in a polk. So I don't vote for them many times to again show my dislike of either them or them and the system.
But no one should give up their right to vote just because they are frustrated with a system. That is actually a plan by many politicians. They know that if the turn out is low, a certain party or area will go for their person. So they help to instill complacency in the public and play them like fiddles.
Bottom line, if you don't vote, you don't have a say in what goes on afterwards.
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middleground
Middle Ground Administrator
USA
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 7:11:31 PM
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I vote everytime. Oftentimes on the local level, as well as the National election. I always vote for the person who has the closest alignment to achieving the goals I want accomplished.
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Vissy
Starting Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 7:17:49 PM
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Originally posted by JADE
Sometimes it does end up a lessor of two evils, but if one doesn't vote they are not using their right to the fullest extent to voice their opinions.
So I always vote, but only after I know one is better or not as bad as the other. If they truly are equal(which I don't think any are) then and only then would I concider not voting.
Now on judgeships, unapposed and the like, I have use my not voting as a message. If I don't like the unapposed, then I don't vote so as to let the count truly reflect the ones that hopefully like the person. If it is very low, then it might bring someone in next time to challenge them.
Some of the people like judges, don't have to tell anyone about themselves or post their records. Yet we vote for them. This is dumb and on the same order as a pig in a polk. So I don't vote for them many times to again show my dislike of either them or them and the system.
But no one should give up their right to vote just because they are frustrated with a system. That is actually a plan by many politicians. They know that if the turn out is low, a certain party or area will go for their person. So they help to instill complacency in the public and play them like fiddles.
Bottom line, if you don't vote, you don't have a say in what goes on afterwards.
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Truthfully Jade, I think that we will have to agree to disagree with this.
You only vote if one is in your opinion better than another, well that is fine with me. Just as far as I can see neither party (or ANY Party as it is in the UK) is better than any other. The words that come out of thier mouth may sound slightly differant, and they may promise differant things, but when it comes to the crunch no one party has any real desire to fulfill those promises, and instead they just desire to fill thier own pockets and make some sort of name for themselves.
Am I disalussioned and frustrated with the system? Not with the system I am not, but with the choices that we have on offer, THATS where I am frustrated and disalussioned (apologies for my bad spelling).
As to installing a sense of complancency, well what happens if they install such a sense of complanceny, or a desire not to vote that the turn out is so low that the election is declared null and void? Now that would be intresting to see how the politicians would react to that!! 
As to getting a say in what goes on afterward, well lets just say that we dont get a say anyway. Politicians play us like fiddles, make all thier promises and deliver on none of them and then make sure that we are presented with exactly the same choices as last time with no desire to make good on any of them. The only say we really get is "I don't like this status quo, so I will choose that status quo this time" just for the same things to be repeated.
What choice do we have in the end? vote for the status quo or don't vote at all. Personally I choose not to vote.
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JADE
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 11:26:37 PM
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I can understand Vissy and from what I've seen of how your parliment works I might have the same opinion as you do under that system. But it could just look like orderly chaos to me.
But here we have made changes and we have made politicians acountable to us many times. We booted Gray Davis out of office in California when he proved inept.
The system and all is not perfect, but if we don't take an active roll in getting our voices heard, then they will just run all over us. So as MG says, just vote for the person who has the closest alignment to achieving the goals I want accomplished. They may not be able to reach what they set out to do, but at least the first step is taken care of.
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Who would you vote for?
