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Fullmetal_A
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 12:37:14 AM
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I believe because I've come face to face with oneand it scared me sh**less
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pizzaguy
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 Posted - August 25 2006 : 10:45:35 AM
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Originally posted by Vainamoinen
In a world with atomic bombs, Nikola Tesla, the Tunguska Blast of 1909, dreams, morphine, quantum physics, H.P. Lovecraft, and mortal death...ghosts seem fairly tame.
Tame? I'd say that Ghosts are a tame FANTASY, but what does that have to do with your list?
Atomic Bombs - an amazing invention of mankind.
Nikola Tesla - interesting man, keen insights at times, but it was amazing to learn of the things he didn't understand.
Tunguska Blask - general consensus is that it was a meteroite - a rare occurance, but nothing special about it.
Dreams - yea, so?
morphine - yea, so?
quantum physics - yea, so?
H.P. Lovecraft - a fiction writer - yea, so?
death - we all die - so?
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Vainamoinen
Paganism Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 1:41:52 PM
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Pizzaguy: What makes something 'supernatural'. The phrase itself means 'more than natural', but that's a null phrase. What is 'natural'? If you define it as anything which occurs of its own accord on this planet, then anything and everything we see, experience, think, or create can be considered natural, since we're of this earth, after all.
So what makes ghosts different? The fact that we don't understand them? No one knows WHY atomic bombs do what they do- only that you can combine a and b to get c. We don't know what dreams are, why consciousness exists- if it does- or why ANYTHING does what it does. Faced with the overwhelming amount of things we don't understand, can't comprehend, and have never explained, ghosts don't strike me as supernatural at all...just another aspect of a surreal and mystifying world in which our own understanding is a tiny, dim candle flame amidst an ocean of darkness.
Although, since you stated you don't believe in them, this is all academic, isn't it?
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pizzaguy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 3:39:27 PM
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Originally posted by Vainamoinen
So what makes ghosts different?
The fact that they are imaginary.
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No one knows WHY atomic bombs do what they do
I only have a loose grasp on atomic reactions. But Teller, Szilard, (sp?) Einstien (sp?)and Bethe (to name only the most obvious) certainly understood. Their predictions were very close to reality.
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We don't know what dreams are...
Dreams are mental sillyness made up by the mind. What's so hard to understand about that?
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... why ANYTHING does what it does. Faced with the overwhelming amount of things we don't understand, can't comprehend, and have never explained,
Where are you getting this, "we don't know anything" nonsense?????
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Vainamoinen
Paganism Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 3:50:48 PM
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I am getting this "we don't know anything" nonsense from the fact that we don't know anything. Or almost anything. And what we do know, we're mostly guessing on. Every answer you just gave me was an arbitrary, opinion-based guess on your part, with the sole exception of your bit about Einstein- and believe me, Pizzaguy, if there was anyone who acknowledged and respected the mystery of the universe, it was Einstein...though he had a much more dim view of humanity.
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persitent one."
-Albert Einstein
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pizzaguy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 3:58:13 PM
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Originally posted by Vainamoinen
I am getting this "we don't know anything" nonsense from the fact that we don't know anything. Or almost anything.
I dont deny that there is MUCH we do not know. But to sit there and tell me that "we" don't understand atomic energy, or anything else, is silly. 'Nuff said.
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if there was anyone who acknowledged and respected the mystery of the universe, it was Einstein...though he had a much more dim view of humanity.
Right on both counts. But you are putting words in his mouth when you try to use him as 'proof' that we "don't know anything".
As far as his dim view of humanity - MOST of the Manhattan Project scientists held a similar view. Just look at the times they lived in!!!! And the same for me: my outlook was dimmer in high school, which was back in the 70's. But with the USSR gone, there seems reason to be more optimistic. (But then, Al-Q and Hezbolah are probably MUCH more dangerous than the USSR ever was.)
I'm out till monday ...
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Vainamoinen
Paganism Forum Moderator
USA
232 Posts |
Posted - August 25 2006 : 4:21:59 PM
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You may call it silly if you like, but we don't understand atomic energy. We just know that a plus b makes c. Usually. Sometimes. If we're lucky.
Imagine some kid who's never seen a computer blundering into a high-powered Windows box and figuring out...after a LONG time...how to get to the Games menu and use Paint, and assuming that means they know how a computer works. That's us, in miniature. In my opinion, of course.
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Fullmetal_A
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Posted - August 25 2006 : 4:30:10 PM
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Everyone has the right to there own opinion. I BELIEVE and there is not one person on this site or this world who can make me believe different. That is MY opinion not someone else's. I also agree with Vainamoinen about us not knowing everything. We as humans know so little about our world let alone the powers that be. But, we are also learning more and more everyday and though there is alot that we may have to guess about eventually I think we will know. That goes foe the UFO stuff too, is there life on other planets? I think we will know someday.
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BlueRose
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 04:20:36 AM
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If we are the only ones in the universe I would be very sorry. I know there must be something else out there, but humanitiy is so vain as to believe themselves as the one and only inhabitants. It is possible that if there is something there, they are watching us and probably not making contact because our race is too far behind in their tecnology and maybe even society. As for dreams, they can be many things. Some are fantasys of what you had done in the day or things you wanted to do. Some dreams tell what you truely want or feel. But then there are dreams that tell the future if we could remember them. When you get that dejavue feeling it is your mind remembering what you saw in your dreams. But in all facts the main question is do we believe in ghosts. My answer is yes from many experiences.
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pizzaguy
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Posted - August 28 2006 : 11:00:18 AM
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Originally posted by Vainamoinen
You may call it silly if you like, but we don't understand atomic energy. We just know that a plus b makes c. Usually. Sometimes. If we're lucky.
Take a physics course !
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Do you believe in Ghosts?
